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simoncurrin — Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:05:54 GMT

We have become firm converts to the new generation of lithium battery powered electric outboards. The battery technology gives them plenty of endurance and enough power for most displacement tenders. We have an inverter on board so re-charging is quick and easy but I understand you can use bespoke solar chargers though these aren 't cheap. The great advantages are that they are silent, very light weight and there is no longer a need to keep petrol on board. Our [url=http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/products/travel-503-1003.html]Torqeedo 1003[/url] has, on the whole, been very reliable but, during the second season an integrated circuit board in the battery blew. The dealer arranged repair under warranty without fuss but the UK service agency proved to be slow, unhelpful and arrogant. I hope that they get this glitch sorted as it 's a great outboard. http://www.torqeedo.com/index.php

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Sonia.Johal — Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:05:54 GMT

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[b]Simon Currin - 14 Mar 2012[/b]
We have become firm converts to the new generation of lithium battery powered electric outboards. The battery technology gives them plenty of endurance and enough power for most displacement tenders. We have an inverter on board so re-charging is quick and easy but I understand you can use bespoke solar chargers though these aren 't cheap. The great advantages are that they are silent, very light weight and there is no longer a need to keep petrol on board.

Our [url=http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/products/travel-503-1003.html]Torqeedo 1003[/url] has, on the whole, been very reliable but, during the second season an integrated circuit board in the battery blew. The dealer arranged repair under warranty without fuss but the UK service agency proved to be slow, unhelpful and arrogant. I hope that they get this glitch sorted as it 's a great outboard.
http://www.torqeedo.com/index.php
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Thanks Simon,

I’m currently considering the following cost effective options for an electric outboard;

3hp equivalent 1000w Temo 1000 most compact and only weighing 11kg.

6hp equivalent 5000w ePropulsion Navy 3.0, with hydogeneration function.

and

9.9hp equivalent Mitek engine. Italian (can’t find UK supplier) light weight and most cost effective option that even looks like a petrol outboard engine.

My issues are lifting the weight of the motor and the cost per hp equivalent.

However, I have been informed that for a circumnavigation, I need to purchase at least a 10hp equivalent.

Please would you share your recommendations?

Grateful for your help and feedback.

Regards,

Sonia
SY Salacia

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Eric.Zon — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:39:16 GMT

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[b]Simon Currin - 14 Jun 2022[/b]
Eric
I’ve not had a problem with the throttle and have found ours to be reliable having used it for 10 years or thereabouts and often in remote regions. We still carry a 9.8hp Tohatsu 2 stoke just in case but it’s so heavy to lug around we have’t used it since 2015 and so we are likely to part with it soon. As mentioned earlier in this thread the only issue we had was charger incompatibility with 1st generation batteries but now we understand the issue we can avoid the problem.

We did pick up a spare prop from West Marine in Portland, Maine.

On the way from mooring to dock today on Block Island we saw 4 other Torqeedos in action so they do seem to be catching on.

I’m sorry the newer model is has reliability issues - what went wrong with the throttle and is it the same as the 1003?

Simon

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[b]Eric Zon - 7 Jun 2022[/b]
HI Simon, I bought the Torqeedo 1103 last year and of course like it when it works. I have taken it to the Caribbean and when it stopped working (as they all seem to do) I had to wait till I was back in the UK to get it fixed (under warranty). Something to do with wiring in the tiller, not something we could fix ourselves. A friend of mine had the same problem, send it off and got it back apparently fixed but when he brought it back to his boat in Greece it didn't work. Now out of guarantee and not working.

Charging etc no problem as you say but I do think they are not robust enough if you take them apart every day. Also with no service available in the Caribbean and in places such as Greece you are rather stuck when they don't work. I will have to buy a petrol outboard when I go further afield for these reliability issues which does rather defeat the object. Would be great if we (OCC) could get a dialogue going with Torqeedo and help them improve
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Dick — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:09:21 GMT

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[b]Simon Currin - 14 Jun 2022[/b]
Eric
I’ve not had a problem with the throttle and have found ours to be reliable having used it for 10 years or thereabouts and often in remote regions. We still carry a 9.8hp Tohatsu 2 stoke just in case but it’s so heavy to lug around we have’t used it since 2015 and so we are likely to part with it soon. As mentioned earlier in this thread the only issue we had was charger incompatibility with 1st generation batteries but now we understand the issue we can avoid the problem.

We did pick up a spare prop from West Marine in Portland, Maine.

On the way from mooring to dock today on Block Island we saw 4 other Torqeedos in action so they do seem to be catching on.

I’m sorry the newer model is has reliability issues - what went wrong with the throttle and is it the same as the 1003?

Simon

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[b]Eric Zon - 7 Jun 2022[/b]
HI Simon, I bought the Torqeedo 1103 last year and of course like it when it works. I have taken it to the Caribbean and when it stopped working (as they all seem to do) I had to wait till I was back in the UK to get it fixed (under warranty). Something to do with wiring in the tiller, not something we could fix ourselves. A friend of mine had the same problem, send it off and got it back apparently fixed but when he brought it back to his boat in Greece it didn't work. Now out of guarantee and not working.

Charging etc no problem as you say but I do think they are not robust enough if you take them apart every day. Also with no service available in the Caribbean and in places such as Greece you are rather stuck when they don't work. I will have to buy a petrol outboard when I go further afield for these reliability issues which does rather defeat the object. Would be great if we (OCC) could get a dialogue going with Torqeedo and help them improve
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Hi Simon & Eric,
They are definately catching on, which might mean some QC problems in the short run. I see them more and more often. Mine is 8 yo and I have had no problems, That said mine is a good rowing dink so my Torqeedo is not used so often.
Simon, My experience with outboards is that they like to be used or they are unreliable: i am wondering if you find that with the Tohatsu? Two stroke probably helps: definately hang on to that relic. Dick

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simoncurrin — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 01:10:26 GMT

Eric
I’ve not had a problem with the throttle and have found ours to be reliable having used it for 10 years or thereabouts and often in remote regions. We still carry a 9.8hp Tohatsu 2 stoke just in case but it’s so heavy to lug around we have’t used it since 2015 and so we are likely to part with it soon. As mentioned earlier in this thread the only issue we had was charger incompatibility with 1st generation batteries but now we understand the issue we can avoid the problem.

We did pick up a spare prop from West Marine in Portland, Maine.

On the way from mooring to dock today on Block Island we saw 4 other Torqeedos in action so they do seem to be catching on.

I’m sorry the newer model is has reliability issues - what went wrong with the throttle and is it the same as the 1003?

Simon

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[b]Eric Zon - 7 Jun 2022[/b]
HI Simon, I bought the Torqeedo 1103 last year and of course like it when it works. I have taken it to the Caribbean and when it stopped working (as they all seem to do) I had to wait till I was back in the UK to get it fixed (under warranty). Something to do with wiring in the tiller, not something we could fix ourselves. A friend of mine had the same problem, send it off and got it back apparently fixed but when he brought it back to his boat in Greece it didn't work. Now out of guarantee and not working.

Charging etc no problem as you say but I do think they are not robust enough if you take them apart every day. Also with no service available in the Caribbean and in places such as Greece you are rather stuck when they don't work. I will have to buy a petrol outboard when I go further afield for these reliability issues which does rather defeat the object. Would be great if we (OCC) could get a dialogue going with Torqeedo and help them improve
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Eric.Zon — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 13:20:59 GMT

HI Simon, I bought the Torqeedo 1103 last year and of course like it when it works. I have taken it to the Caribbean and when it stopped working (as they all seem to do) I had to wait till I was back in the UK to get it fixed (under warranty). Something to do with wiring in the tiller, not something we could fix ourselves. A friend of mine had the same problem, send it off and got it back apparently fixed but when he brought it back to his boat in Greece it didn't work. Now out of guarantee and not working.

Charging etc no problem as you say but I do think they are not robust enough if you take them apart every day. Also with no service available in the Caribbean and in places such as Greece you are rather stuck when they don't work. I will have to buy a petrol outboard when I go further afield for these reliability issues which does rather defeat the object. Would be great if we (OCC) could get a dialogue going with Torqeedo and help them improve

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Dick — Tue, 31 May 2022 14:25:04 GMT

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[b]Dick - 31 May 2022[/b]
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[b]Simon Currin - 29 May 2022[/b]
We love our elderly Torqeedo but was dismayed today to break both blades off the prop without breaking either the shear pin or the skeg both of which should project the $99 propeller. Do they become brittle with age?
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Hi Simon,
Sounds like they do become brittle with age. I am sorry you discovered this. As you shop for a replacement, please note that in addition to the 2-blade model the unit comes with, Torqeedo also makes 3 blade model: not sure what that gives you: perhaps more thrust if pushing around a day-sail sailboat which has more weight and windage.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
PS I am near a Torqeedo dealer if I can help.

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Hi again,
If brittle, I would suspect UV. It might be wise to put a "bonnet" on the prop when stored outside during the season. Dick

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Dick — Tue, 31 May 2022 14:10:22 GMT

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[b]Simon Currin - 29 May 2022[/b]
We love our elderly Torqeedo but was dismayed today to break both blades off the prop without breaking either the shear pin or the skeg both of which should project the $99 propeller. Do they become brittle with age?
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Hi Simon,
Sounds like they do become brittle with age. I am sorry you discovered this. As you shop for a replacement, please note that in addition to the 2-blade model the unit comes with, Torqeedo also makes 3 blade model: not sure what that gives you: perhaps more thrust if pushing around a day-sail sailboat which has more weight and windage.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
PS I am near a Torqeedo dealer if I can help.

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simoncurrin — Sun, 29 May 2022 22:49:38 GMT

We love our elderly Torqeedo but was dismayed today to break both blades off the prop without breaking either the shear pin or the skeg both of which should project the $99 propeller. Do they become brittle with age?

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Dick — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:42:31 GMT

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[b]Hasbun - 10/9/2016[/b]
Frustrating!All I can say is that both of our batteries charge equally well with either the fast charger (3.5 hrs to charge) or the original charger (14 hours to charge). A difference is that the fast charger warms up the battery whereas the original charger does not. As it is well known that internal heating is a dire enemy of lithium battery life, we keep both chargers together but only use the fast charger when we imperatively know we must recharge a battery quickly because we will need it shortly; i.e., rarely.Best,
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Hi all,
There is another fairly strong, to me, argument in favor of electric outboards such as Torqeedo.
There are seasons where you use your dinghy all the time and there are seasons where it gets little use. Newfoundland has been a season where we have been tying up at wharfs and visiting small towns. Anchorages are scarce as the depths are great and are interests are more inclined to the communities than to gunkholing.
In years past, I used to hate the gas/petrol powered outboard sitting on my transom having the fuel go slowly bad and turning into varnish in the carburetor. And, yes, I always ran it dry, but gas-powered outboards just like to be used and have their fuel fresh.
With the Torqeedo, that is not a worry.
I also had my outboard serviced with regularity (and sometimes repaired): the servicing is no longer an issue and, so far, there has been no repairs necessary.
BTW, the above observation goes for dinghies as well. I have a hard nesting dinghy that rows well and is out of the way under the boom. It is largely impervious to sun/rain/dirt etc. I used to hate storing my inflatable on the foredeck for long periods unused. Not only was it in the way of sail/spinnaker/ground tackle handling at times, but it was slowly but surely being destroyed by the sun.
Further thoughts, Dick Stevenson, s/vAlchemy

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Hasbun — Sun, 09 Oct 2016 19:18:38 GMT

Frustrating! All I can say is that both of our batteries charge equally well with either the fast charger (3.5 hrs to charge) or the original charger (14 hours to charge). A difference is that the fast charger warms up the battery whereas the original charger does not. As it is well known that internal heating is a dire enemy of lithium battery life, we keep both chargers together but only use the fast charger when we imperatively know we must recharge a battery quickly because we will need it shortly; i.e., rarely. Best,

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simoncurrin — Sun, 09 Oct 2016 17:54:50 GMT

Prompted by this thread I just plugged in the "failed" battery (the one that wouldn 't charge so we brought back from Iceland) and it is no charging! I am wondering if they changed the specification of the charger as the old battery now works with the old charger whereas it would not charge with the newer charger I had on the boat even though the new charger worked with the new battery!! All a bit confusing. Just need to figure how to get the now working battery back to Iceland now given that the airline really didn 't like us for checking into hold baggage! Simon

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Dick — Sun, 09 Oct 2016 13:48:15 GMT

Thanks for the info. We shall see what spares we accumulate over time. When in the Bahamas, Carib. and Central America, we carried 2 outboards, a 15 and a 3.5 and a RIB. We used them all the time and they worked well generally. Since leaving those areas, having an "SUV" became far less important and we used the outboards far less. As a consequence, they became far less reliable. I am not sure what I would do if I returned to those waters, but I am pleased with the distances achieved with the Torqeedo so far. Dick

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Hasbun — Sun, 09 Oct 2016 08:16:01 GMT

We 've had a Torqeedo Travel 1003 since 2013, which we purchased in the U.S., our home waters. We are happy with the product, but as a result of our experiences with it... - We purchased a second battery in 2014. - We obtained a Torqeedo "fast charger" in 2015. - We found Torqeedo repair service in Spain and Portugal nearly inexistent and the German office worse than useless. Fortunately the U.S. office was more collaborative. - We still carry a gasoline engine, 8HP, as a spare, and for when we must traverse longer distances. Our preferred engine is the Torqeedo and [u][b]it is the one that sees the most use, by far[/b][/u]. But there 's been times when we 've celebrated that we have the conventional one as well. Cheers,

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Dick — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 19:55:27 GMT

Hi Simon, One of the pleasures of our nesting dinghies is that they row so well, that if the motor craps out, we can still go long distances up wind. Dick

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simoncurrin — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 19:22:17 GMT

Dick, For the last 2 years we have been carrying two batteries with us. This summer the older of the two batteries failed. It holds charge and runs the motor fine but I cannot recharge it. I presume it is a circuit board failure so will return it for repair and I will let you know the outcome. Getting a large lithium battery onto a plane back to the UK was a bit of a drama. So flying spares to remote places may be a difficulty that needs to be factored in. If it is the circuit board that has failed then it will be our second in 6 years. Apart from that I have nothing but praise. Simon

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Dick — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:53:48 GMT

Hi Everyone, We have one season using the Torqeedo 1003 and wish to echo all the advantages said so far about these quiet powerful motors. So far no negatives. It is a pleasure not to have a gasoline outboard with its fuel, gear lube, additives, smells and spills and heavier weight. My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

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simoncurrin — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:24:51 GMT

Agree. We have the Nestaway Trio 14.

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Dick — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:06:06 GMT

Simon, Yes, Ian at Nestaway is a good source. He built my Danny Greene Chamelian nesting dinghy which we are very happy with. Nice workmanship. His web site is also informative about Torqeedos in a reasonable way and not the usual hype. Dick

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simoncurrin — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 07:42:33 GMT

That 's right it is the 1003s. A spare skeg is not a bad idea as this is sacrificial. I see Nestaway are now UK dealers and the guy who runs that is very helpful - we did a homebuild on one of his boats a few years ago.

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Dick — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 07:35:54 GMT

Simon, Sorry, More likely the 1003? Dick

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Dick — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 07:31:35 GMT

Hi Simon, Thanks for the info. Do you have a go-to guy in the shop? I always like to deal with people when possible. Also, I suspect you got the 2.0 T short shaft. Is that correct? Are there any option/accessories that one should consider? Thanks, Dick

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simoncurrin — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:32:11 GMT

We used Chatity & Taylor but their estimate for repairing the old one prompted us to replace rather than repair.

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Dick — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:09:28 GMT

Hi Simon, I am sorry that you had to do some of the R&D for Toqueedo. I suspected from reading their literature that some of the kinks had been ironed out, but it is nice to have that confirmed. Was there an outfit in the UK for Torqeedo that you felt gave good service? Thanks, Dick

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simoncurrin — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:05:21 GMT

Dick, Ours completely gave up the ghost last season but we found it so good we replaced it and I am glad we did as the new model has had some of the weaknesses ironed out. Simon